The secret formula to price higher than Amazon, and still get a sale. Here’s the trick to pricing above Amazon and beating them at their own game.
Can you ever price higher than Amazon?
I’ve always said things like:
“Amazon’s price is the ceiling.”
“You cannot out-price Amazon and still get sales.”
“Buyers always prefer to buy from Amazon over you, 100% of the time.”
And all of those are true, or true in enough – which is to say, true 99% of the time (especially the last one).
Understanding when this pricing trick works (and when it doesn’t)
I’m going to teach you a trick for breaking through the price ceiling.
I.e. How to get more for your FBA offer than Amazon.
Here’s a premise to understand before we get into that:
No one wants to buy their book from you. Not one person on this earth.
Every single human on this earth would prefer to purchase from Amazon over you. It’s not that you’re bad, it’s that Amazon is so good.
The only circumstances in which someone will buy from you over Amazon are:
- You’re cheaper.
- They don’t notice you’re not cheaper.
Fortunately, the first one applies to most books.
Now I’m going to tell you how to capitalize on the second.
The premise of the FBA “sleight of hand” technique
To understand how and why this works, we have to lay some groundwork…
Let’s say you’re an Amazon customer. You say to yourself: “I’m going to go buy the cheapest Prime-elgible copy of Monkey Mustaches for Dummies on Amazon.”
A lot of people login to Amazon with this agenda (the “cheapest copy” part, not the weird monkey book part.)
They’ve already primed themselves (no pun intended) to go right for the Buy Box, click “add to cart”, and call it a night.
It is a legitimate (and usually correct) assumption that the cheapest Prime copy is in the Buy Box. If its not the cheapest, its going to be close enough to not matter.
(Stay with me, I’m setting up the punchline here.)
It’s also legitimate for the buyer to assume the Used copy is cheaper than the New copy. This “fact” is not even questioned.
All available stats we have indicate the majority of all sales happen through the Buy Box. So in theory, most buyers looking for a used book will go straight for the Buy Box. Do we all agree on that?
These customers aren’t even looking at Amazon’s price. This might be a small percentage, but there is still a slice of Amazon customers who are so focused on “buying a used book,” they never look at – or notice – Amazon’s offer. At all.
We can sell to these people
For these customers (the ones who don’t ever notice Amazon’s price), it doesn’t matter how high our FBA price is. Our book’s price is not being compared against Amazon, because they’re not even noticing Amazon’s price.
The trick is to understand that these customers are a small percentage of total traffic. Let’s just say 1 out of 20 people never even notice Amazon’s price. We have no way to know the true numbers. But let’s just go with 1/20.
So now you’re thinking: Why would I want to wait for the 20th person to come along? I could sit on this book forever that way.
And that’s true. I don’t want to wait that long either. But we don’t have to.
Here’s the big reveal:
Why someone might buy your item over Amazon’s
Here it is:
When a book is very well ranked, a certain percentage of buyers each day or week simply won’t notice Amazon’s price is lower, and buy yours.
With well-ranked books, these buyers might come along once (or more) a day, instead of once a month.
That’s the trick. This only works with very well-ranked books.
The ideal circumstances for this trick :
- Very well-ranked book (to play it safe, better than 10k).
- No FBA offers under Amazon’s price (duh)
- The used and new prices are very close (as is the case with many very well-ranked books)
When those three factors fall into place, its pretty much a guaranteed win.
And yes, this works.
How should you price books like this?
Same rules apply. Price as you would were Amazon not selling the book at all. Just ignore Amazon’s price completely.


Remember: This only applies to used books
Essentially, we’re exploiting the layout of the Buy Box, and our offer being in a different place than Amazon’s. And since Amazon only sells New books, the only way to occupy different product page real estate than Amazon is to sell a Used book.
What’s my sales rank threshold for the FBA “sleight of hand” trick?
There’s no hard rule here. I personally apply this to books ranked 10,000 or better.
There’s no reason you won’t get sales for books with a worse rank than this. Or you might choose to be more conservative. It’s totally subjective. Test different sales rank strata yourself.
Just remember, we’re capitalizing on that small percentage of people not noticing (or caring) that Amazon’s price is lower.
So let’s do some math.
Let’s assume (totally randomly) that this applies to 1/20 people, and look at two examples around this (random) figure.
Example #1: A book ranked 150,000, selling one copy a day.
Let’s say a book holds a steady rank of 150,000, or selling about 1 copy a day.
By this math, your high-priced offer will sell in the next 20 days.
But then consider that a lot can happen in 20 days. Specifically, you’re likely to get undercut by another seller in that time.
So this really isn’t likely to be a consistently victorious strategy. You might sell some books here and there, but it won’t be consistent. And how many books with this rank don’t have FBA offers under Amazon’s price already? Not many.
Example #2: A book ranked 5,000, selling 15 copies a day.
Now we’re talking.
The available evidence indicates a book with an Amazon sales rank of 5,000 is selling about 15 copies a day (ballpark figure here).
If 1/20 people are going to ignore Amazon’s price, you should see a sale pretty fast. Maybe in under a day.
And the real number may be 1/10, or it may be 1/50. Who knows? The better the rank, the faster you’ll get a sale.
Going deeper: What’s the next move here?
If I had a book like this, I would basically ignore Amazon’s price.
Let’s say Amazon was selling their copy for $49.95. Lowest merchant fulfilled offer was 29.95. And no FBA offers.
If it was a textbook, and it was ranked 5,000, I would go $99.95. If any other type of book, I might still go $99.95. At least $75.
Pricing is a very subjective thing, so I wouldn’t fault someone for pricing on either side of this. But $99.95 feels like a nice round number. And from there, I’d just wait it out.
Advanced profit hack: Listing New books as Used
I’ve never tried this next one, but only because this is a circumstance you don’t see often. It’s the usual formula, with one added element:
- Very well-ranked book.
- No FBA offers under Amazon’s price
- The used and new prices are very close
- You have a New book for sale
In this instance, I would take that New book and list it as Used. Because then you can list it higher than Amazon’s price, and break through the price-ceiling by securing our place in the Buy Box.
Thought you couldn’t beat Amazon? You just did.
Have fun.
-Peter Valley


I was just mulling this over yesterday and priced one book higher than Amazon as a test. I added a reminder note in IL so I could remember what I did and why. I don’t feel strongly either way about the “ethics” of this.
BTW, has anyone considered that there may be some very few people who DO want to buy from a 3rd party over Amazon, maybe because (in their head) they don’t want to support a mega business or do want to support a mom and pop seller, or like a seller’s silly name….
I agree that there are people who prefer buying from Mom and pop shops or perceived “more charitable” organizations over mega Amazon. But I would suspect them to smaller percentage of buyers…just guessing, but probably less than 5%
I hadn’t really considered this, but I suppose those people do exist. When I’m buying something on Amazon, I’ll often pay a little more to purchase from someone with less than 10k feedbacks, to support “the little guy.”
Here is what I dont get, selling a toy on Amazon with 5 other sellers. Not FBA. Mine was prices higher then anyone else, and it sold while theres still sit there? I dont get it.
It probably means you had the Buy Box and they didn’t. Simple as that.
This sounds like it could be fun to test on a few listings. But I found another way to out-price Amazon on new merchandise that’s even simpler.
A couple of Christmas seasons ago, I had 10 new copies of a blu-ray ranked in the low-100s. Not 100k–more like 100, period.
Amazon was selling it for $10. The next lowest new offer was about $18 (MF). FBA offers started at about $21. It’s a good example of what I (crudely) call “Amazon peeing in the punch bowl.”
As an experiment, I priced my 10 copies at $24.95 and shipped them in. Less than a week after arrival, they sold out.
The reason was, Amazon sold out first, which was what I had banked on. Then so did the lower-priced FBA offers. Mine were next in line for the buy box. When they sold, it was almost all at once.
Anyway, it’s fun to play with possibilities!
That’s awesome. Amazon selling out of something is the holy grail. Do you have suggestions for how to spot when Amazon may sell out?
Nothing as reliable as many of your formulas. My “gut” feeling was that something as uber-popular as that blu-ray, selling at Christmastime, that I could buy for a third of the low Amazon price, must have a shot. It was a pretty cheap gamble that paid off well.
I get it. After you’ve been doing this for awhile, you develop those gut instincts that you can’t articulate, but are 100% dead on most of the time.
Peter, I saw on Full Time FBA, that CCC now shows a dotted line on the price history, for periods when Az is outta stock.
Whoa, very cool!
Lol, people can buy from small mom-and-pop stores on Amazon, but Amazon profits just the same from those sales . Besides, Amazon offers aren’t really Amazon’s. Those belong to the publishers of the book. People think of publishers as rich mega corporations , but the reality is, there are thousands of small mom-and-pop publishing houses, and some of those new offers on Amazon may be new struggling writers trying to make it. It would make just as much sense supporting them .
This idea about pricing used offers higher than amazons new offers is a handy idea for smalltime sellers . But I don’t think that this is a good idea for serious business people trying to build a big business . I don’t think that it’s worth the time and effort
Great points. It’s definitely a nice pricing tactic to apply in limited situations, not something to build a business around.
I’m definitely going to test a small batch using this methodology for textbook season if I come across books that meet this criteria. I think this is a great time to test something like this since volume and sales rank will kick up. Plus, price logic is out the window. Regarding the ethics of this practice I think it’s fair game. We have to test the limits. Also, thank you for sharing this knowledge Peter. You’re awesome!
Peter, do you do any special book sourcing tactics for prime day? It’s coming up on July 12.
Thanks man.
I’m always sourcing full-throttle, so I do little if anything to accelerate for Prime day, or even Christmas for that matter. I’m in the minority but with FBA, every quarter is 4th quarter.
“Peter, I saw on Full Time FBA, that CCC now shows a dotted line on the price history, for periods when Az is outta stock.” Can someone explain please? What is CCC
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